Having no descendants is the greatest failure of filial piety
"There are three unfilial acts, and the greatest is to have no posterity"; Shun married without telling his parents
One must found a family and have children, so that the line continues: it is a duty toward one's parents and ancestors.
The family is a chain between ancestors and descendants: having no children breaks it.
"Having no descendants is the greatest failure of filial piety" is an argument by Mencius (Mencius 4A.26 (4th century BC), 320 BC) on the question "Should we have children?" (answer: giving life is good). Its claim: One must found a family and have children, so that the line continues: it is a duty toward one's parents and ancestors. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P3). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 1 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
In ancient China, the family is not only the people under one roof. It is a chain: ancestors, the living, children to come. Mencius says it in one sentence: there are three failures of filial piety, and the greatest is to have no descendants. He adds a striking example. The sage Shun married without telling his parents, against custom, so as not to risk staying childless. According to the commentator Zhao Qi (as rendered by Couvreur), the other two failures are letting one's parents do wrong without a word, and failing to earn enough to feed them; but that is a commentary, not Mencius' own text. Here the reason to have children is not the child's happiness: it is what one owes to one's parents and ancestors.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P3, the computer finds a case where descendants are the greatest failure and Shun ranks them above etiquette, without it being a duty: for instance because it is only something highly desirable.
Objections
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Simone de Beauvoir 1949 · attacks the conclusionSummary: in The Second Sex, Beauvoir argues that motherhood should be neither a destiny nor an obligation, but a free choice. A duty of lineage makes a child a debt to pay, and in practice it weighs mostly on women. For her, one is not less fulfilled without children.
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Summary: in The Second Sex, Beauvoir argues that motherhood should be neither a destiny nor an obligation, but a free choice. A duty of lineage makes a child a debt to pay, and in practice it weighs mostly on women. For her, one is not less fulfilled without children.
David Benatar 2006 · attacks the conclusionSummary: in Better Never to Have Been, Benatar defends an asymmetry. Pain is always bad even if no one feels it; the absence of pleasure is bad only if someone is there to be deprived of it. So for the one who is born, existing is a harm, while there is no harm in not being born. If this is true, the lineage cannot be a duty: it would impose a harm on a being who asked for nothing.
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Summary: in Better Never to Have Been, Benatar defends an asymmetry. Pain is always bad even if no one feels it; the absence of pleasure is bad only if someone is there to be deprived of it. So for the one who is born, existing is a harm, while there is no harm in not being born. If this is true, the lineage cannot be a duty: it would impose a harm on a being who asked for nothing.
LLu Xun 1919 · attacks premise 1Lu Xun, a writer of the May Fourth Movement, attacks the old morality of filial piety: it puts the center on the side of the elders, when it should be on the side of the young, and turns toward the past what should look to the future. He does not deny that having no children is a misfortune: he only refuses to let it justify any means (he answers those who invoke Mencius' phrase to defend having several wives).
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Lu Xun, a writer of the May Fourth Movement, attacks the old morality of filial piety: it puts the center on the side of the elders, when it should be on the side of the young, and turns toward the past what should look to the future. He does not deny that having no children is a misfortune: he only refuses to let it justify any means (he answers those who invoke Mencius' phrase to defend having several wives).