The fable of the Troglodytes
Thinking only of oneself is not our true interest: each person's interest lies in the common interest, and "in acting justly by others, we bestow blessings on ourselves".
A people where everyone thinks only of himself, with no sharing, judges or kept promises, destroys itself.
"The fable of the Troglodytes" is an argument by Montesquieu (Persian Letters, 11 to 14 (Usbek)) on the question "What makes something right?" (answer: virtue). Its claim: Thinking only of oneself is not our true interest: each person's interest lies in the common interest, and "in acting justly by others, we bestow blessings on ourselves". According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P3). AskPhilosophy presents 2 objections, 2 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
His friend Mirza asks Usbek whether happiness comes from pleasures or from virtue. Usbek answers not with reasoning but with a fable, because moral truths must be "felt". A small people of Arabia, the Troglodytes, decides that each will think only of himself. No more sharing, no more judges, no more promises kept: they perish. Two just families survive and found a happy people. Note: a character in the novel is telling the story, and the fable has a less rosy sequel.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P3, the computer finds a case where selfishness does lead to ruin, and yet remains each person's "interest": nothing yet says that ruining oneself is against one's interest.
Objections
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GGlaucon, in Plato's Republic 375 BC · attacks premise 3Ruin strikes the group, not necessarily each individual. Give a man the ring of Gyges, which makes him invisible: he will take, kill and seduce without punishment. No one is just of his own will, only from constraint. The injustice of one person among just people may well be in his interest.
Montesquieu replies
Ruin strikes the group, not necessarily each individual. Give a man the ring of Gyges, which makes him invisible: he will take, kill and seduce without punishment. No one is just of his own will, only from constraint. The injustice of one person among just people may well be in his interest.
Bernard Mandeville 1714 · attacks premise 2A society of egoists does not necessarily perish: it can prosper. In The Fable of the Bees, private vices (vanity, love of luxury, greed) drive trade and enrich the hive. Make the bees virtuous, and the hive grows poor.
Montesquieu replies
A society of egoists does not necessarily perish: it can prosper. In The Fable of the Bees, private vices (vanity, love of luxury, greed) drive trade and enrich the hive. Make the bees virtuous, and the hive grows poor.