The ladder of love
Diotima's ladder; Platonic love; the ascent to beauty
Well-guided love climbs as on the rungs of a ladder: from one beautiful body to two, from two to all beautiful bodies, then to beautiful pursuits, to beautiful kinds of knowledge, and up to the beautiful itself.
To desire is to lack what we desire: love lacks the beautiful and the good, and wants to possess them forever.
"The ladder of love" is an argument by Plato (Symposium, 201d-212a (c. 380 BC), 380 BC) on the question "What is love?" (answer: an ascent to beauty). Its claim: Well-guided love climbs as on the rungs of a ladder: from one beautiful body to two, from two to all beautiful bodies, then to beautiful pursuits, to beautiful kinds of knowledge, and up to the beautiful itself. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P6). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 1 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
In the Symposium, each guest praises love. Socrates reports what a wise woman, Diotima, once taught him. For her, love is not a perfect god: it is a desire, so it comes from a lack. We love what we do not have, namely the beautiful and the good, and we want to possess them forever. But a mortal being cannot keep the good forever; it comes close by giving birth in beauty, through the body (children) or the soul (speeches, laws, ideas). Well-guided love then climbs as on a ladder: from one beautiful body to all beautiful bodies, then to beautiful souls, laws, sciences, and finally to beauty itself, which never changes. This thesis gave its name to "Platonic love", but the text is less shy than the phrase suggests: it starts from bodily desire. What is presented here is the thesis Plato gives to Diotima, not a proof by her.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P6, the computer finds a case where love is a desire for a lasting good, beauty is one and beauty itself exists, yet love does not climb: one can stop at a person loved for herself. P6 is what turns "beauty is one" into "one must climb".
Objections
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AAristophanes 385 BC · attacks the conclusionIn the same Symposium, he defends a very different idea: each of us is the half of a whole being cut in two, and love is the constant search for one's own half. What is loved is therefore a particular person, ours, not beauty in general. The ladder, which asks us to shed any exclusive passion, describes something other than what we call loving.
Platon replies
In the same Symposium, he defends a very different idea: each of us is the half of a whole being cut in two, and love is the constant search for one's own half. What is loved is therefore a particular person, ours, not beauty in general. The ladder, which asks us to shed any exclusive passion, describes something other than what we call loving.
Gregory Vlastos 1973 · attacks premise 6Summary: in this theory one does not love the person but what is beautiful, good and lovable in her. Persons are only places where beauty is found, and one can pass from one to another, or beyond all persons, without losing the object of love. This leaves out what we think we love in someone: that very person, irreplaceable.
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Summary: in this theory one does not love the person but what is beautiful, good and lovable in her. Persons are only places where beauty is found, and one can pass from one to another, or beyond all persons, without losing the object of love. This leaves out what we think we love in someone: that very person, irreplaceable.
Martha Nussbaum 1986 · attacks the conclusionSummary: the Symposium does not stop with Diotima. Right after the ladder, Alcibiades enters drunk and praises Socrates as one particular man, whom he loves with his flaws and his harshness. This speech shows what the ladder cannot say: the love of a unique individual whom no one else replaces. Plato thus casts doubt on the value of a life that goes beyond persons.
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Summary: the Symposium does not stop with Diotima. Right after the ladder, Alcibiades enters drunk and praises Socrates as one particular man, whom he loves with his flaws and his harshness. This speech shows what the ladder cannot say: the love of a unique individual whom no one else replaces. Plato thus casts doubt on the value of a life that goes beyond persons.