Death: a sleep or a journey
Socrates' dilemma on death
In both cases, death is not an evil for the good man, and one may be of good hope in front of it.
Death is either a dreamless sleep or a journey to the dead: either way it is a gain, not an evil.
"Death: a sleep or a journey" is an argument by Socrates (Plato, Apology, 40c-41c (Socrates according to Plato), 399 BC) on the question "Should we fear death?" (answer: nothing to fear). Its claim: In both cases, death is not an evil for the good man, and one may be of good hope in front of it. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P4). AskPhilosophy presents 2 objections, 0 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
At his trial, Socrates tells his judges he is of good hope in the face of death, and he justifies it with a dilemma. He does not claim to know what death is: he examines the two possibilities he sees. In both cases, he says, death is a good, or at least not an evil. These are the words Plato gives to Socrates.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P4, the computer finds a situation where death is a gain (a sleep) and yet remains an evil, for instance because it deprives us of what we loved.
Objections
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CClassic objection: is the dilemma complete? attacks premise 1There is a third possibility: an unhappy afterlife, for instance a punishment for one's faults in the beyond. If that possibility is not ruled out, the dilemma is false and death can be an evil. Socrates partly answers in advance: he speaks of the good man, for whom no evil is possible, either in life or after death.
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There is a third possibility: an unhappy afterlife, for instance a punishment for one's faults in the beyond. If that possibility is not ruled out, the dilemma is false and death can be an evil. Socrates partly answers in advance: he speaks of the good man, for whom no evil is possible, either in life or after death.
EEpicurus attacks premise 2Epicurus would go further than Socrates on the first case. For him, death is not even a gain: it is nothing to us, for as long as we are here it is not, and when it is here we are no longer. Our reading: the "gain" of sleep still supposes comparing states, whereas there is no one left to compare them. Epicurus's argument has its own page.
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Epicurus would go further than Socrates on the first case. For him, death is not even a gain: it is nothing to us, for as long as we are here it is not, and when it is here we are no longer. Our reading: the "gain" of sleep still supposes comparing states, whereas there is no one left to compare them. Epicurus's argument has its own page.