QuestionsIs the world real?A being far above us could have created our world for fun
Is the world real?Probably a simulation

A being far above us could have created our world for fun

Tyson's intelligence-gap argument; "50-50"

Neil deGrasse Tyson born 1958Astrophysicist who explains the universe to the general public; he gave the simulation even odds or better, then said in 2020 that an objection had convinced him otherwise.
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What it claims

The likelihood that we live in a simulation "may be very high": Tyson puts it at 50-50.

Why

A being as far above us as we are above chimpanzees could create worlds for fun, ours included.

The same idea through history
Nick Bostrom2003Bostrom gives the statistical argument. Tyson offers another, more intuitive route: the intelligence gap.
Neil deGrasse Tyson2016In April 2016, Tyson, moderating the debate, puts 50-50 odds on our being in a simulation and says the likelihood "may be very high".
Neil deGrasse Tyson2018In 2018 he gives "better than 50-50 odds" and says he can find no strong argument against it.
Neil deGrasse Tyson2020In March 2020, on StarTalk, he says an objection from his friend Richard Gott convinced him that we are not in a simulation (see the first objection).
In short

"A being far above us could have created our world for fun" is an argument by Neil deGrasse Tyson (Neil deGrasse Tyson, Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate, 2016, 2016) on the question "Is the world real?" (answer: probably a simulation). Its claim: The likelihood that we live in a simulation "may be very high": Tyson puts it at 50-50. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P3). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 0 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.

Neil deGrasse Tyson, Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate, 2016
Valid with an implicit premise

At the Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate at the American Museum of Natural History in 2016, the astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, who was moderating, said he thought the likelihood of a simulation "may be very high" and put it at 50-50. His reason is not statistical but a picture. We share more than 98 percent of our DNA with chimpanzees, yet the gap in intelligence is huge. Somewhere, a being could be as far above us as we are above them. To it, we would be drooling idiots, and it is easy to imagine our life is that being's creation, for its entertainment. A caveat: Tyson is speaking aloud here, without publishing a developed argument. In 2020 he said an objection had changed his mind (see the first objection).

P1Intelligence can be very unequal between close relatives: we share over 98 percent of our DNA with chimpanzees, yet they stand far below us. So there may exist, somewhere, a being far above us.
P2Such a being could create worlds, and it is easy to imagine it did so for its entertainment: our whole life would then be its creation.
P3 · implicit premiseIf such a being can exist and create worlds, there is a good chance it did, and that we are in one of those worlds.
So the likelihood that we live in a simulation "may be very high": Tyson puts it at 50-50.

click a premise to reject it

If you accept every premise, logic forces you to accept the conclusion. So the debate is about the premises.
Checked by a logic solver: the premises cannot all be true while the conclusion is false.
Without the implicit premise: Without P3, the possible does not become probable: such a being might exist and never create a world, or only worlds very unlike ours. The computer finds a case where P1 and P2 hold and a simulation is improbable.
P1: a being far above us can exist. P2: such a being can create worlds, and for fun. P3, hidden, moves from "can" to "probably". So a simulation is probable. What is debated: the whole step from possible to probable (P3), and P2 (why would such a being want to create us?).
Analogy. An ant farm behind a child's glass: the child is so far above the ants that they cannot even imagine he exists, and the world they live in was built for him. Tyson asks whether we could be the ants. (Our image.)

Objections

3

Each objection is a conversation: click to see who replies and where the debate stands.

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J. Richard Gott 2020 · attacks the conclusion

Tyson reports the objection of his friend the astrophysicist Richard Gott. All the simulations in the chain have one thing in common: they can themselves create simulations. We cannot yet. So we are either the real world or the link in the chain that has not yet managed to simulate. The odds are no longer a gazillion to one for simulation: they drop to about even, and Tyson ends up calling himself "real".

no reply
We have not yet found a direct reply by Tyson in the texts.
The debate goes on (our summary) Tyson does not defend his argument: he accepts the objection and says it convinced him. We have no text by Gott himself on this point, only Tyson's account (our summary).
Where the debate stands (our summary)The argument's author accepted the objection in 2020. Debated point: the objection assumes that all or nearly all simulations could in turn simulate, which remains to be shown (our summary).
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Lisa Randall 2016 · attacks premise 2

At the same debate, the physicist Lisa Randall says she does not see why this higher species would want to simulate us: the argument assumes many beings would want to, and she does not believe it. She rates the chance as "effectively zero".

no reply
We have not yet found a direct reply by Tyson in the texts.
The debate goes on (our summary) Tyson does not answer Randall in the report. His own argument (P2) remains an intuition ("it is easy for me to imagine") and does not say why such a being would want to (our summary).
Where the debate stands (our summary)Open point: we know nothing about the desires of hypothetical beings. Tyson starts from what is "easy to imagine", Randall from what she sees no reason to believe (our summary).
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Sabine Hossenfelder 2021 · attacks premise 2

Hossenfelder notes that nobody today knows how to reproduce general relativity and the Standard Model with an algorithm running on a machine. Imagining that a being can create a world like ours assumes this is possible, which has not been shown. She names Tyson among those who give the hypothesis a chance.

no reply
We have not yet found a direct reply by Tyson in the texts.
Where the debate stands (our summary)Underlying disagreement: "we can imagine" versus "we do not know how". Open point (our summary).