All nations follow the same course, then return: corsi e ricorsi
The ideal eternal history
The history of nations is an ideal eternal history that recurs each time: a course of three ages, a corruption, a return (corsi e ricorsi).
All nations pass through the same ages, gods, heroes, men; once corrupt, they fall back into barbarism and the course restarts.
"All nations follow the same course, then return: corsi e ricorsi" is an argument by Giambattista Vico (Principles of New Science (1744), books I, IV and V, Conclusion) on the question "Does history have a direction?" (answer: cycles). Its claim: The history of nations is an ideal eternal history that recurs each time: a course of three ages, a corruption, a return (corsi e ricorsi). According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P5). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 1 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
Vico, professor of rhetoric in Naples, published the last version of his New Science in 1744. His idea: nations do not have a random fate. All pass, in the same order, through three ages (of gods, heroes, men) with customs, laws, languages and governments proper to each. When peoples corrupt, they fall into a second barbarism, more refined and more cruel than the first, and the cycle begins again: this is the "ricorso". This order is, he says, the work of Providence using the passions of men. Note: the texts cited are in Italian, from the Nicolini edition (1928); the numbers are those of his paragraphs.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P5, the computer finds a world where each nation goes through three ages in order, but corruption leads to disappearance or to a new form rather than to a return: a regular course, not a cycle.
Objections
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Karl Popper 1957 · attacks premise 1The ancient doctrine that applies to a society the life cycle of an animal or plant was used by Plato, then by Machiavelli, Vico, Spengler and Toynbee. It makes history a repetition whose laws can be studied. But the cases of repetition involve very different circumstances, which may weigh on what follows: a resemblance does not prove a law.
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The ancient doctrine that applies to a society the life cycle of an animal or plant was used by Plato, then by Machiavelli, Vico, Spengler and Toynbee. It makes history a repetition whose laws can be studied. But the cases of repetition involve very different circumstances, which may weigh on what follows: a resemblance does not prove a law.
Kant 1798 · attacks the conclusionIf one supposes that humanity remains always at the same moral level, with ups and downs that cancel out, history has no goal: it is only a game that repeats itself. Kant ranks this hypothesis, which he calls "Abderitism", among three possible ones (decline, progress, standing still). In his view it would make the human race a farce worth no more than other animal species. He therefore looks in his own time for a sign showing a moral tendency toward progress.
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If one supposes that humanity remains always at the same moral level, with ups and downs that cancel out, history has no goal: it is only a game that repeats itself. Kant ranks this hypothesis, which he calls "Abderitism", among three possible ones (decline, progress, standing still). In his view it would make the human race a farce worth no more than other animal species. He therefore looks in his own time for a sign showing a moral tendency toward progress.
Hegel 1837 · attacks premise 3Changes in nature show only a cycle that repeats, with nothing new under the sun. Only spirit brings forth something new: human history is therefore not a cycle like that of nature.
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Changes in nature show only a cycle that repeats, with nothing new under the sun. Only spirit brings forth something new: human history is therefore not a cycle like that of nature.