King of China with no memories: it would no longer be me
Leibniz's king of China
Being the same person, in the sense that matters, requires memory or consciousness of the self: without it, the same soul would no longer be "me" for morality.
Becoming king of China while forgetting all you were would amount to vanishing: without memory, surviving has nothing to wish for.
"King of China with no memories: it would no longer be me" is an argument by Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (Discourse on Metaphysics, § 34 (1686)) on the question "Who am I, really?" (answer: my consciousness, my memory). Its claim: Being the same person, in the sense that matters, requires memory or consciousness of the self: without it, the same soul would no longer be "me" for morality. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P3). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 2 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
Leibniz believes the soul is a substance that does not perish. But he asks whether that is enough for us to truly survive. His example: a man could become king of China, on condition of forgetting everything he has been. What would he gain? As far as anything can be observed, it would be as if he had been annihilated and another king created in his place. The immortality that matters, says Leibniz, is one where I remember having been myself, and it is this memory, or consciousness of the self, that allows me to be rewarded or punished. Why is this argument placed in the "consciousness" camp when Leibniz keeps the soul? Because he separates two things: "real" identity, that of the same substance, which he maintains, and "moral" or personal identity, the only one that matters for responsibility and for hoping to survive. For the second, he answers as Locke does: it is self-consciousness. He adds, however, that the testimony of others can fill a gap in memory.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P3, the computer finds a case where survival cannot matter without memory, where imputation requires memory, and where one is nonetheless the same person without memory: nothing yet connects "being the same person" to those two questions.
Objections
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Joseph Butler 1736 · attacks the conclusionConsciousness of personal identity presupposes personal identity, so it cannot constitute it. For my memory of an action to be true, it must already be I who did it. Saying that memory makes identity is going in a circle.
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Consciousness of personal identity presupposes personal identity, so it cannot constitute it. For my memory of an action to be true, it must already be I who did it. Saying that memory makes identity is going in a circle.
Thomas Reid (the brave officer) 1785 · attacks the conclusionA boy is flogged, becomes an officer who remembers it, then a general who remembers the officer but no longer the boy. If memory makes identity, the general is the officer, the officer is the boy, and yet the general is not the boy: that is contradictory.
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A boy is flogged, becomes an officer who remembers it, then a general who remembers the officer but no longer the boy. If memory makes identity, the general is the officer, the officer is the boy, and yet the general is not the boy: that is contradictory.
Derek Parfit 1984 · attacks premise 3What matters when I think about my survival is not strict identity, nor memory alone, but psychological continuity and connectedness (memories, intentions, beliefs, character) when they have an appropriate cause. In borderline cases, the question "is it still me?" may have no answer, without changing what matters.
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What matters when I think about my survival is not strict identity, nor memory alone, but psychological continuity and connectedness (memories, intentions, beliefs, character) when they have an appropriate cause. In borderline cases, the question "is it still me?" may have no answer, without changing what matters.