For a little flesh, we deprive a being of light and life
Plutarch's vegetarian argument; why Pythagoras abstained from flesh
It is eating flesh that should astonish us, not abstaining from it: we should abstain.
We have plenty to eat without killing: eating flesh takes a living being's life from it without any necessity.
"For a little flesh, we deprive a being of light and life" is an argument by Plutarque (Moralia, "On the Eating of Flesh" (De esu carnium), I and II, c. 100, 100) on the question "Do animals matter as much as we do?" (answer: a duty of compassion). Its claim: It is eating flesh that should astonish us, not abstaining from it: we should abstain. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P4). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 1 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
People often ask: why did Pythagoras abstain from eating flesh? Plutarch turns the question around in the first line: what astonishes him is what motive, or what courage, led the first man to bring to his lips the flesh of a dead beast. The first men could excuse themselves by necessity. We, he says, who have plenty to live on, kill "for a little flesh": we take from a being the sunlight and the life it has a right to by nature. He adds that the human body is not made for this food: no hooked beak, no claws, no sharp teeth. In the question "Do animals matter as much as we do?", he defends the "A duty of compassion" camp: he asks for restraint and pity, without saying that animals are our equals. The two discourses are works of persuasion: some see in them an exercise in eloquence rather than a system.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P4, the computer finds a case where killing is not necessary, takes the animal's life and does not suit our body, yet there is no duty to abstain: it would be merely regrettable or unhealthy. P4 is what makes it a moral fault.
Objections
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Chrysippus (according to Cicero) 210 BC · attacks the conclusionThe Stoics hold that beings without reason exist for the sake of rational beings, and that between men and beasts there is no bond of right: we therefore owe them no justice. What is done to beasts cannot then be an injustice.
Plutarque replies
The Stoics hold that beings without reason exist for the sake of rational beings, and that between men and beasts there is no bond of right: we therefore owe them no justice. What is done to beasts cannot then be an injustice.
Aristotle 330 BC · attacks premise 3He holds that nature makes nothing incomplete and nothing in vain, and that, as plants exist for the sake of animals, the other animals exist for the sake of man: the tame for use and food, the wild, for the most part, for food and for his needs. For him, nature thus meant us to feed on them.
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He holds that nature makes nothing incomplete and nothing in vain, and that, as plants exist for the sake of animals, the other animals exist for the sake of man: the tame for use and food, the wild, for the most part, for food and for his needs. For him, nature thus meant us to feed on them.
Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (Melina, Craig, Levin) 2016 · attacks premise 1In its position paper on vegetarian diets, this learned society concludes that well-planned vegetarian diets, including vegan ones, can suit all stages of life. This supports Plutarch's idea that flesh is not necessary. But the paper adds that vegans must make sure of a reliable source of vitamin B12: a diet without flesh therefore needs planning, and it is not the shape of the body that decides what one may eat.
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In its position paper on vegetarian diets, this learned society concludes that well-planned vegetarian diets, including vegan ones, can suit all stages of life. This supports Plutarch's idea that flesh is not necessary. But the paper adds that vegans must make sure of a reliable source of vitamin B12: a diet without flesh therefore needs planning, and it is not the shape of the body that decides what one may eat.