The self changes bodies like clothes
Krishna's teaching to Arjuna on the self (atman)
What I really am is the self that stays the same under all changes, not my body.
The body keeps changing, from childhood to death, but the self that inhabits it is neither born nor dies: it is what I really am.
"The self changes bodies like clothes" is an argument by Bhagavad-Gītā (texte anonyme, attribué à Vyāsa) (Bhagavad Gita, ch. 2, v. 12-13, 20, 22-24, 200 BC) on the question "Who am I, really?" (answer: a soul). Its claim: What I really am is the self that stays the same under all changes, not my body. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P3, P4). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 2 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
On a battlefield, the warrior Arjuna refuses to fight: his relatives stand before him. His adviser, Krishna, begins by speaking of the self. What we truly are, he says, is not the body. The body passes from childhood to youth to old age; at death, the self (the atman) passes into another body, as one leaves worn clothes to put on new ones. The self itself is neither born nor dies, and no weapon touches it. It is one of the most famous statements of the idea of a soul that stays the same through all change (verse 20 repeats almost word for word an older Upanishad, the Katha). The text is also advice given for a fight, and that use is itself debated (Gandhi, for one, read the battle as an image of an inner struggle). We quote Telang's English translation (1882), which is in the public domain.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P4, the computer finds a case where the self lasts, the body changes, I stay myself, and yet I am not that self (for instance if I am a set of memories or a series of states, which lasts without being a separate substance).
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The Buddha (not-self, anatta) 450 BC · attacks premise 3According to the Buddha, nothing in a person lasts or obeys us: neither body, nor feelings, nor perceptions, nor dispositions, nor consciousness. None of these elements is "my self". There is no lasting self behind them. What we take for a self is only this set of changing elements.
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According to the Buddha, nothing in a person lasts or obeys us: neither body, nor feelings, nor perceptions, nor dispositions, nor consciousness. None of these elements is "my self". There is no lasting self behind them. What we take for a self is only this set of changing elements.
John Locke 1694 · attacks premise 4Even if there were an immaterial self passing from body to body, it would not be what makes me the same person. What makes the person is the consciousness I have of my past actions. A self passing into another body with no memory would not thereby be "me".
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Even if there were an immaterial self passing from body to body, it would not be what makes me the same person. What makes the person is the consciousness I have of my past actions. A self passing into another body with no memory would not thereby be "me".
TThe Carvakas, Indian materialists (as summarised by Madhava) 1350 · attacks premise 1For this school only earth, water, fire and air exist. Consciousness arises from their mixture in the body, as intoxication arises from mixing certain ingredients, and it vanishes with it. The self is only the body endowed with consciousness: indeed we say "I am fat", "I am lean". Nothing proves a self distinct from the body that would pass into another.
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For this school only earth, water, fire and air exist. Consciousness arises from their mixture in the body, as intoxication arises from mixing certain ingredients, and it vanishes with it. The self is only the body endowed with consciousness: indeed we say "I am fat", "I am lean". Nothing proves a self distinct from the body that would pass into another.