We desire through another: "spontaneous" desire is a romantic lie
Mimetic desire; triangular desire; the mediator of desire
Romantic passion rests in part on an illusion: we think we love the other for himself, while we desire through a model or a rival.
The hero thinks he desires for himself, but his impulse goes toward a model whose desire he imitates.
"We desire through another: "spontaneous" desire is a romantic lie" is an argument by René Girard (Deceit, Desire, and the Novel (1961; English 1965), 1961) on the question "What is love?" (answer: a useful illusion). Its claim: Romantic passion rests in part on an illusion: we think we love the other for himself, while we desire through a model or a rival. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P3, P4). AskPhilosophy presents 3 objections, 1 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
When we fall in love, it feels as if the desire comes from us alone: this person is desirable, and that is that. René Girard, reading great novels, claims the opposite. The romantic hero believes his desire is spontaneous, but the novelists show a "mediator": a model, often a rival, whose desire the hero imitates without knowing it. Don Quixote wants to be a knight because Amadis was one; the jealous lover desires the woman because another desires her. The object is a pretext, and the impulse goes toward the mediator. If Girard is right, part of romantic passion rests on an illusion: we think we love a person for herself, while we follow another's gaze. This is a thesis drawn from reading novels, which its defenders extend to real life and its critics find too general. The book is in copyright: we quote short passages of the 1965 English translation, checked.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P3 and P4, one can grant that we imitate models (P2) while keeping a love based on the person's real qualities: the model only made us notice what was already there. P1 and P2 stay true and the conclusion false.
Objections
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Arthur Schopenhauer 1844 · attacks premise 2Schopenhauer explains the choice of a lover otherwise: the instinct of the species drives two people toward each other, according to traits that favour viable children. Romantic desire thus has a direct biological cause that needs neither rival nor model.
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Schopenhauer explains the choice of a lover otherwise: the instinct of the species drives two people toward each other, according to traits that favour viable children. Romantic desire thus has a direct biological cause that needs neither rival nor model.
EEve Kosofsky Sedgwick 1985 · attacks premise 2In Between Men, Sedgwick takes Girard's love triangle but shows it is not neutral: in the novels she studies the bond between the two rivals is as strong as either one's bond to the woman, sometimes stronger, and the triangle presupposes an inequality between the sexes that Girard does not question. His general rule of desire is thus more tied to a type of society and of novels than he admits.
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In Between Men, Sedgwick takes Girard's love triangle but shows it is not neutral: in the novels she studies the bond between the two rivals is as strong as either one's bond to the woman, sometimes stronger, and the triangle presupposes an inequality between the sexes that Girard does not question. His general rule of desire is thus more tied to a type of society and of novels than he admits.
Objection anticipated by Montaigne 1580 · attacks premise 1Montaigne describes, about his friendship with La Boetie, an attachment that no model and no interest explains: "because it was he, because it was I". If there are bonds where we love the other without a third party, Girard's rule is not universal.
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Montaigne describes, about his friendship with La Boetie, an attachment that no model and no interest explains: "because it was he, because it was I". If there are bonds where we love the other without a third party, Girard's rule is not universal.