You cannot step into the same river twice: change is the ground of things
Heraclitus' river; "everything flows" (panta rhei); the flux
Change is real and first: passing time is no illusion, and stable things are only lasting forms of the flux.
A river's waters never stop changing, and so does everything: what lasts is an order that holds within change.
"You cannot step into the same river twice: change is the ground of things" is an argument by Heraclitus of Ephesus (Fragments B12, B49a, B91; Plato, Cratylus 402a (c. 500 BC), 500 BC) on the question "Does time really exist?" (answer: time really passes). Its claim: Change is real and first: passing time is no illusion, and stable things are only lasting forms of the flux. According to AskPhilosophy's logic check (Z3 solver), the argument is valid only if one grants a premise the author leaves unstated (P4). AskPhilosophy presents 4 objections, 4 of them with a documented reply, and the original text behind each premise, checked word for word.
"You cannot step into the same river twice." It is one of the most famous lines of Greek thought, tied to Heraclitus of Ephesus (c. 500 BC). It says that what we take for stable things (a river, a flame, a city, ourselves) are in fact processes: time is not a stage on which things stay, it is the stuff they are made of. Two points. The slogan "everything flows" does not appear in the fragments we quote: it comes from the later tradition, which sums up the idea this way (Plato reports it in the Cratylus). And Heraclitus does not describe disorder: change obeys a common measure that he calls the logos. His book is lost; we quote the fragments in English translation (Burnet, 1920), preserved by later authors.
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Without the implicit premise: Without P4 one can hold this: the river changes, but the true world is made of unchanging beings (numbers, forms, atoms) whose change is only apparent shuffling. P1 to P3 are then true and the conclusion false.
Objections
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PParmenides 480 BC · attacks the conclusionParmenides holds that what is can neither come to be nor perish, because that would mean coming out of what is not, which can be neither thought nor said. For him, birth, death, change of place and of colour are only names mortals give to what is in truth one, whole and motionless. If this argument holds, the flux is mere appearance.
a defender replies
Parmenides holds that what is can neither come to be nor perish, because that would mean coming out of what is not, which can be neither thought nor said. For him, birth, death, change of place and of colour are only names mortals give to what is in truth one, whole and motionless. If this argument holds, the flux is mere appearance.
Plato 360 BC · attacks the conclusionIn the Cratylus, Socrates points out that if everything is always passing, there is no knowledge: what knows and what is known would change at every moment, so there would be no one to know and nothing to be known. He concludes that the beautiful, the good and the other things "in themselves" must abide.
Ephesus replies
In the Cratylus, Socrates points out that if everything is always passing, there is no knowledge: what knows and what is known would change at every moment, so there would be no one to know and nothing to be known. He concludes that the beautiful, the good and the other things "in themselves" must abide.
Aristotle 330 BC · attacks premise 2In the Metaphysics, Aristotle criticises the extreme Heracliteans. What changes keeps something: a thing losing a quality keeps part of what it loses, and what comes to be presupposes something already existing. Above all, changing in quantity is not changing in kind: even if a thing does not stay the same in quantity, it is by its form that we know each thing. Finally, one draws from the small region around us, subject to generation and destruction, a law for the whole universe.
Ephesus replies
In the Metaphysics, Aristotle criticises the extreme Heracliteans. What changes keeps something: a thing losing a quality keeps part of what it loses, and what comes to be presupposes something already existing. Above all, changing in quantity is not changing in kind: even if a thing does not stay the same in quantity, it is by its form that we know each thing. Finally, one draws from the small region around us, subject to generation and destruction, a law for the whole universe.
Albert Einstein 1955 · attacks the conclusionAfter relativity, Einstein writes to the family of his friend Michele Besso that, for physicists, the distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, however persistent. If the universe is a block in which all events exist, passing time is not a property of the world.
a defender replies
After relativity, Einstein writes to the family of his friend Michele Besso that, for physicists, the distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, however persistent. If the universe is a block in which all events exist, passing time is not a property of the world.